I acknowledge your concerns about disclosing their names but how do we address the issue that we may have elected representatives in the House of Commons who have betrayed their oath of loyalty to Canada.? And voters may, unwittingly, be asked to re- elect them in the upcoming federal election. What is to be done? And please don’t tell me we have to wait for the RCMP to act.
I think we should NOT name them because it's actually quite dangerous in our polarized environment. They have a right to safety just as much as we do. Our government might not survive the next vote of non-confidence by the Bloc. We *do* have to wait for the RCMP to investigate because they have the powers of arrest and also possibly evidence for the arrest.
I'm sorry, SR, but waiting for the Horsemen to investigate something - anything? - is more akin to watching paint dry for, oh, say, fifteen years. One finds oneself getting bored and then moving on to other more exciting pastimes such as playing solitaire or watching your toenails grow.
The Horsemen are a large part of the problem. Oh, I am not (I don't expect) arguing that the Horsemen are corrupt or themselves foreign agents but rather that they have so many rules and considerations and must consider their political masters, yada, yada, yada, that they are, as I say, part of the problem.
Should they be named? I don't have sufficient information to offer a definitive answer but consider the possibility that there were - let's say - fifteen such names and that the government advises each of the fifteen that they (the gov't) proposes to name them but offers, oh, say 100K to each of them for legal fees to allow each to make a case that they should not be named. Then those cases would be considered and the "remainder" named, say, six months later. Or, the so named could themselves go public first, etc., etc.
In any event, the current standoff and effective smearing of all Parliamentarians is intolerable.
Thank you for writing this letter to the Globe and Mail. I'll be surprised if they publish it.
Unfortunately, many commentators, including some who have responded to your latest missive here, seem to think that public trials without due process are the antidote to the current government's previous "slow roll" response to foreign interference.
Were there problems that the leaked information helped to resolve? Yes, despite the obvious problems with "governance by leak". Should the government have acted sooner to deal with the (very real) problems posed by foreign interference? Yes, per the NSICOP report.
But for the Globe and Mail to advocate the abandonment of due process? The whole thing seems a little bit "Fox News North".
Sorry Wark....I have a different understanding of democracy than you. To my way of thinking if the people (citizens) of the country are not given information then how the heck can they make an informed opinion about how the government is working for us. If there are witting accomplices to foreign influence, then they should be outed. My well founded fear is that this government will sweep this under the carpet and they will not act in any way, legally through the justice system, or through their own internal processes. The deep state exists because no sun is shone on it and we need to know that things are operating as they should. Under Trudeau and his minions, nothing ever seems to get done.
Ya well. I don't much like JT either but he's what we have. Does anybody seriously believe that Poilievre is going to be any more open and honest? Or that CSIS is going to share its secrets with Canadians, other than by pointedly leaked distortions and lies intended to exploit and manipulate the public, who they're supposedly protecting? Please.
A tad too glowing for PM who is clueless about the rule of law. Case in point Ms. JWR’s …” thought he could lie to the Canadian people and get away with it.”
the real issue with naming names is the number of unknown names. you would punishing those that were discovered while allowing those that are undetected to remain safe, and provide intelligence to our enemies about what we know and what we don't. it's best to remain silent.
but more importantly, Trudeau may well be right that the ISS hired a hit squad ( or you could be wrong) but you don’t burn your allies just because you were embarrassed by your wife while becoming Mr. Dressup. Those stunts were bad but bringing a Sihk terrorist with you on the trip to boot which the Indian government found offensive.
The reality is Trudeau liberals have leveraged the diaspora communities inside Canada whether they be Hindu, Muslim or Sihk votes and cowtowung their political interests over what is best for all Canadians includingthose diaspora groups and previous groups. Nothing more nothing less
Once again, Mr. Wark, You are too busy talking nonsense when it comes to the PMO. And Mr. Trudeau is only interested in the rule of law or general principles of justice when it suits his purposes. He ignored the fair and just dealings when dealing with Judy Wilson Raybouldt, he has interfered with the trial of Cameron Ortis. Neither was a win for law and Order.
I'm not sure Mr Wark understands the concept of a "free press". It is the job of the free press to hold the government to account, not to act as its cheerleader. The problem with the current situation vis-a-vis foreign influence (or interference), is that with respect to any from the CCP, it has been to this regime's benefit. The benefit may have accrued without the Liberal Party's knowledge, or there may have been wilful blindness, but an independent view would indicate that it has been to the advantage of the Liberal Party. We already have an issue in Canada with the government interfering in media by heavily subsidizing it, and interfering with online commentary by passing legislation dealing with its content. The media is a beast that needs to be fed. In this case, the government is sitting on information, and leaving the media to speculate. It would be better for the current Liberal government to explain its position in clear and unambiguous language. In closing, I would encourage anyone interested in this topic to also read the material available on other sites. For example, one site describes the questioning Liberal Party National Director Azam Ishmael faced from Hogue Commission lawyers concerning allegations of interference in the Han Dong nomination process, and then draw their own conclusions (as have I).
I don’t know. We seem to be the only developed country that has an inability to convert intelligence into evidence. Our democratic peers seem to have no problem naming, prosecuting and convicting those colluding with foreign agents. What are we doing wrong?
The government happily named and shamed Cameron Ortis, then subjected him to a trial that couldn't produce evidence because "secrecy", and then jailed him.
All the government can do is name and shame the alleged traitors in parliament. They cannot give them a fair trial.
I acknowledge your concerns about disclosing their names but how do we address the issue that we may have elected representatives in the House of Commons who have betrayed their oath of loyalty to Canada.? And voters may, unwittingly, be asked to re- elect them in the upcoming federal election. What is to be done? And please don’t tell me we have to wait for the RCMP to act.
I think we should NOT name them because it's actually quite dangerous in our polarized environment. They have a right to safety just as much as we do. Our government might not survive the next vote of non-confidence by the Bloc. We *do* have to wait for the RCMP to investigate because they have the powers of arrest and also possibly evidence for the arrest.
I'm sorry, SR, but waiting for the Horsemen to investigate something - anything? - is more akin to watching paint dry for, oh, say, fifteen years. One finds oneself getting bored and then moving on to other more exciting pastimes such as playing solitaire or watching your toenails grow.
The Horsemen are a large part of the problem. Oh, I am not (I don't expect) arguing that the Horsemen are corrupt or themselves foreign agents but rather that they have so many rules and considerations and must consider their political masters, yada, yada, yada, that they are, as I say, part of the problem.
Should they be named? I don't have sufficient information to offer a definitive answer but consider the possibility that there were - let's say - fifteen such names and that the government advises each of the fifteen that they (the gov't) proposes to name them but offers, oh, say 100K to each of them for legal fees to allow each to make a case that they should not be named. Then those cases would be considered and the "remainder" named, say, six months later. Or, the so named could themselves go public first, etc., etc.
In any event, the current standoff and effective smearing of all Parliamentarians is intolerable.
Thank you for writing this letter to the Globe and Mail. I'll be surprised if they publish it.
Unfortunately, many commentators, including some who have responded to your latest missive here, seem to think that public trials without due process are the antidote to the current government's previous "slow roll" response to foreign interference.
Were there problems that the leaked information helped to resolve? Yes, despite the obvious problems with "governance by leak". Should the government have acted sooner to deal with the (very real) problems posed by foreign interference? Yes, per the NSICOP report.
But for the Globe and Mail to advocate the abandonment of due process? The whole thing seems a little bit "Fox News North".
Sorry Wark....I have a different understanding of democracy than you. To my way of thinking if the people (citizens) of the country are not given information then how the heck can they make an informed opinion about how the government is working for us. If there are witting accomplices to foreign influence, then they should be outed. My well founded fear is that this government will sweep this under the carpet and they will not act in any way, legally through the justice system, or through their own internal processes. The deep state exists because no sun is shone on it and we need to know that things are operating as they should. Under Trudeau and his minions, nothing ever seems to get done.
I agree with CF. I want to know who the Beijing enablers are.
Ya well. I don't much like JT either but he's what we have. Does anybody seriously believe that Poilievre is going to be any more open and honest? Or that CSIS is going to share its secrets with Canadians, other than by pointedly leaked distortions and lies intended to exploit and manipulate the public, who they're supposedly protecting? Please.
A tad too glowing for PM who is clueless about the rule of law. Case in point Ms. JWR’s …” thought he could lie to the Canadian people and get away with it.”
the real issue with naming names is the number of unknown names. you would punishing those that were discovered while allowing those that are undetected to remain safe, and provide intelligence to our enemies about what we know and what we don't. it's best to remain silent.
You are really grasping at straws here..
you missed the point of why Trudeau did what he did almost a year ago with respect to changing the channel on the foreign interference
https://sundayguardianlive.com/top-five/trudeau-shifts-public-attention-from-china-to-india
but more importantly, Trudeau may well be right that the ISS hired a hit squad ( or you could be wrong) but you don’t burn your allies just because you were embarrassed by your wife while becoming Mr. Dressup. Those stunts were bad but bringing a Sihk terrorist with you on the trip to boot which the Indian government found offensive.
The reality is Trudeau liberals have leveraged the diaspora communities inside Canada whether they be Hindu, Muslim or Sihk votes and cowtowung their political interests over what is best for all Canadians includingthose diaspora groups and previous groups. Nothing more nothing less
I think the main point is the outrageous performance of the Globe. There is no longer any credible source of news in this country. A disaster.
Once again, Mr. Wark, You are too busy talking nonsense when it comes to the PMO. And Mr. Trudeau is only interested in the rule of law or general principles of justice when it suits his purposes. He ignored the fair and just dealings when dealing with Judy Wilson Raybouldt, he has interfered with the trial of Cameron Ortis. Neither was a win for law and Order.
I’m not so sure the Globe and Mail piece is as off the mark as you say.
I'm not sure Mr Wark understands the concept of a "free press". It is the job of the free press to hold the government to account, not to act as its cheerleader. The problem with the current situation vis-a-vis foreign influence (or interference), is that with respect to any from the CCP, it has been to this regime's benefit. The benefit may have accrued without the Liberal Party's knowledge, or there may have been wilful blindness, but an independent view would indicate that it has been to the advantage of the Liberal Party. We already have an issue in Canada with the government interfering in media by heavily subsidizing it, and interfering with online commentary by passing legislation dealing with its content. The media is a beast that needs to be fed. In this case, the government is sitting on information, and leaving the media to speculate. It would be better for the current Liberal government to explain its position in clear and unambiguous language. In closing, I would encourage anyone interested in this topic to also read the material available on other sites. For example, one site describes the questioning Liberal Party National Director Azam Ishmael faced from Hogue Commission lawyers concerning allegations of interference in the Han Dong nomination process, and then draw their own conclusions (as have I).
I don’t know. We seem to be the only developed country that has an inability to convert intelligence into evidence. Our democratic peers seem to have no problem naming, prosecuting and convicting those colluding with foreign agents. What are we doing wrong?
The government happily named and shamed Cameron Ortis, then subjected him to a trial that couldn't produce evidence because "secrecy", and then jailed him.
All the government can do is name and shame the alleged traitors in parliament. They cannot give them a fair trial.
You don’t offer any options. Are you suggesting we just leave it hanging over their heads. Allow people to speculate. Even in the face of an election.